Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 590
Location: Colton, NY | Subject: College Daze
RE: The essay to follow.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I recall one clown who came to class. Immediately leaned his desk back against the wall (last row) and slept during nearly every lecture in the entire semester. One older lady (presumably with her mothering instincts coming out) wanted to know why I let "that boy" do that. My response was that he is an adult and if he wants to spend his money coming here to sleep - so be it. He bombed the tests and flunked the final. Then a week after grades were posted I got a call at home from the Dean and he said the "boy" and his mother were in his office and wanted me to raise his F to a D. I gave the dean a SITREP on the deal and said NO DICE - the grade stands and if the school wants to raise his grade I won't sign off on it. I never heard anymore about it. ( I checked later ... the "F" stood)
Damned old Chiefs --- expecting performance. Harumph!!
Anyway - in my military mind - the following essay is excellent. I especially like where he says "go in the military"
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College Daze
by Charles Murray
Source: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0901/032.html
Instead of helping high school grads grow up, colleges prolong childhood.
College is not all it's cracked up to be. Dumbed-down courses, flaky majors and grade inflation have conspired to make the letters B.A. close to meaningless. But another problem with today's colleges is more insidious: They are no longer a good place for young people to make the transition from childhood to adulthood. Today's colleges are structured to prolong adolescence, not to midwife maturity.
Once upon a time college was a halfway house for practicing how to be a grown-up. Students couldn't count on the dean of students to make allowances for adolescent misbehavior. If they wanted to avoid getting kicked out, they had to weigh the potential consequences of their actions, just as in adult life. The student-teacher relationship was more distant and less nurturing than in high school, and more like the employee-supervisor relationship awaiting them after graduation. Students had to accept that they no longer got hugs for trying hard. If they didn't get the job done, they were flunked with as little ceremony as they would be fired by an employer.
This apprenticeship in adulthood has been gutted.
The light workload alone can make college today a joke. The most recent data say that students self-report only about 14 hours per week spent studying (the true figure is presumably lower). The definition of "weekend" has sprawled to the point that, as a Duke administrator put it, "We've run out of classroom space between 10 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. Tuesday through Thursday."
The demanding professor is close to being extinct. Due dates for papers are commonly extended when the student just can't get it done by then. Many professors permit quizzes or even final exams to be made up if missed--missed not because of an emergency at home or a fever of 104, but just, sort of, like, missed. At many schools student evaluations of professors are now systematically collected and used as part of the tenure decision process. Warm and sympathetic is in. Strict and demanding is out.
Professors are under pressure to accommodate students even when it comes to right and wrong answers. Talk to any college teacher and you will hear bemused accounts of encounters with students who think that the teacher's criticisms of their work are "just your opinion," no more valid than the student's opinion, as well as stories of students who make serious trouble for teachers who refuse to adjust their grades.
Meanwhile, colleges today take pride in making life at college as warm and comfy as life with Mom and Dad. It used to be that the girls had housemothers to do bed checks and the guys might have a proctor living on the dorm corridor, and otherwise students were on their own. No longer. Colleges now have large bureaucracies of "res life staff" ("res" for residential) charged with responding to any scrape that our little darlings might suffer. Barrett Seaman, whose book Binge is the indispensable guide to this new college world, found that his alma mater, Hamilton (1,700 students), now has 26 full- time people to manage student issues that in the 1960s were handled by only 3. Hamilton is not exceptional.
And so this heretical thought for parents of high school students nearing graduation: If you want your child to grow up responsible and independent, sequester the college tuition money. Encourage your child to join the military, work abroad as a volunteer for some worthy cause or just move to a different city, get a real job and support himself for a few years.
There's no intellectual loss in delaying college. On the contrary, your child will probably gain from the wait. Plato and Tolstoy were not writing for kids. The real danger lies in raising children who reach their 20s still thinking like children. The years after high school are for learning how to be a grown-up. Today's colleges are terrible places to do it. ----------------------- Charles Murray is a W.H. Brady Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and author of Real Education: Four Simple Truths For Bringing America's Schools Back to Reality
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1462
| Subject: RE: College Daze
I can agree in part. My youngest daughter just graduated from ECU this past December. She used to complain about the lack of real challenge in many, but not all classes. Yes, missing exams meant you could take a makeup exam if the Prof was good to go. Not all did allow that as they felt the college age student needs to learn responsibility. Hangovers did not qualify. I graduated at the tender age of 30 with a BSEE. That was 1974 and the change was just beginning. I chalked it up to an excessive relationship with Dr. Spock books. The Prof's would give you an F at the drop of a hat. The parents would complain but once the Prof explained why, the grade stood and junior got an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Parents are afraid of that now, thanks to Dr. Spock. So here we are in the new millenia with more and more adult children living with Mom & Dad. Could there be a connection? |
Master and Commander
Posts: 1905
Location: Patterson, New York | Subject: RE: College Daze
I teach a steady schedule of college courses part-time. But, I tend to get older students who are already working.
But every class, I get a few that fit the above perfectly. You can tell from the first class that they are going to take every liberty. And, when they get that D or C or F, I get an email about "Can I do extra credit" for a better grade.
The college has actually stop allowing Professors to change grades unless the reason is extreme. Then it requires approval of the administration.
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