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 Great Sage of the Sea
 
 Posts: 590
 
 Location: Colton, NY
 | Subject: College Daze 
 
 RE: The essay to follow.
 Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
 I recall one clown who came to class. Immediately leaned his desk
 back against the wall (last row) and slept during nearly every lecture
 in the entire semester. One older lady (presumably with her
 mothering instincts coming out) wanted to know why I let "that boy"
 do that. My response was that he is an adult and if he wants to spend
 his money coming here to sleep - so be it.  He bombed the tests and
 flunked the final. Then a week after grades were posted I got a call at
 home from the Dean and he said the "boy" and his mother were in his
 office and wanted me to raise his F to a D. I gave the dean a SITREP
 on the deal and said NO DICE - the grade stands and if the school
 wants to raise his grade I won't sign off on it. I never heard anymore
 about it.  ( I checked later ... the "F" stood)
 
 Damned old Chiefs --- expecting performance.  Harumph!!
 
 Anyway  - in my military mind - the following essay is excellent. I
 especially like where he says "go in the military"
 
 Sid
 
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 College Daze
 
 by Charles Murray
 
 Source: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0901/032.html
 
 Instead of helping high school grads grow up, colleges prolong
 childhood.
 
 College is not all it's cracked up to be. Dumbed-down courses, flaky
 majors and grade inflation have conspired to make the letters B.A.
 close to meaningless. But another problem with today's colleges is
 more insidious: They are no longer a good place for young people to
 make the transition from childhood to adulthood. Today's colleges
 are structured to prolong adolescence, not to midwife maturity.
 
 Once upon a time college was a halfway house for practicing how to
 be a grown-up. Students couldn't count on the dean of students to
 make allowances for adolescent misbehavior. If they wanted to avoid
 getting kicked out, they had to weigh the potential consequences of
 their actions, just as in adult life. The student-teacher relationship
 was more distant and less nurturing than in high school, and more
 like the employee-supervisor relationship awaiting them after
 graduation. Students had to accept that they no longer got hugs for
 trying hard. If they didn't get the job done, they were flunked with as
 little ceremony as they would be fired by an employer.
 
 This apprenticeship in adulthood has been gutted.
 
 The light workload alone can make college today a joke. The most
 recent data say that students self-report only about 14 hours per
 week spent studying (the true figure is presumably lower). The
 definition of "weekend" has sprawled to the point that, as a Duke
 administrator put it, "We've run out of classroom space between 10
 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. Tuesday through Thursday."
 
 The demanding professor is close to being extinct. Due dates for
 papers are commonly extended when the student just can't get it
 done by then. Many professors permit quizzes or even final exams to
 be made up if missed--missed not because of an emergency at home
 or a fever of 104, but just, sort of, like, missed. At many schools
 student evaluations of professors are now systematically collected
 and used as part of the tenure decision process. Warm and
 sympathetic is in. Strict and demanding is out.
 
 Professors are under pressure to accommodate students even when
 it comes to right and wrong answers. Talk to any college teacher and
 you will hear bemused accounts of encounters with students who
 think that the teacher's criticisms of their work are "just your
 opinion," no more valid than the student's opinion, as well as stories
 of students who make serious trouble for teachers who refuse to
 adjust their grades.
 
 Meanwhile, colleges today take pride in making life at college as
 warm and comfy as life with Mom and Dad. It used to be that the girls
 had housemothers to do bed checks and the guys might have a
 proctor living on the dorm corridor, and otherwise students were on
 their own. No longer. Colleges now have large bureaucracies of "res
 life staff" ("res" for residential) charged with responding to any
 scrape that our little darlings might suffer. Barrett Seaman, whose
 book Binge is the indispensable guide to this new college world,
 found that his alma mater, Hamilton (1,700 students), now has 26 full-
 time people to manage student issues that in the 1960s were handled
 by only 3. Hamilton is not exceptional.
 
 And so this heretical thought for parents of high school students
 nearing graduation: If you want your child to grow up responsible and
 independent, sequester the college tuition money. Encourage your
 child to join the military, work abroad as a volunteer for some worthy
 cause or just move to a different city, get a real job and support
 himself for a few years.
 
 There's no intellectual loss in delaying college. On the contrary, your
 child will probably gain from the wait. Plato and Tolstoy were not
 writing for kids. The real danger lies in raising children who reach
 their 20s still thinking like children. The years after high school are
 for learning how to be a grown-up. Today's colleges are terrible
 places to do it.
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 Charles Murray is a W.H. Brady Scholar at the American Enterprise
 Institute and author of Real Education: Four Simple Truths For
 Bringing America's Schools Back to Reality
 
 
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 Master and Commander
 
 Posts: 1478
 
 
 | Subject: RE: College Daze 
 I can agree in part. My youngest daughter just graduated from ECU this past December. She used to complain about the lack of real challenge in many, but not all classes. Yes, missing exams meant you could take a makeup exam if the Prof was good to go. Not all did allow that as they felt the college age student needs to learn responsibility. Hangovers did not qualify. I graduated at the tender age of 30 with a BSEE. That was 1974 and the change was just beginning. I chalked it up to an excessive relationship with Dr. Spock books. The Prof's would give you an F at the drop of a hat. The parents would complain but once the Prof explained why, the grade stood and junior got an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. Parents are afraid of that now, thanks to Dr. Spock. So here we are in the new millenia with more and more adult children living with Mom & Dad. Could there be a connection?
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| Master and Commander 
 Posts: 1930
 
 Location: Patterson, New York
 | Subject: RE: College Daze 
 I teach a steady schedule of college courses part-time. But, I tend to get older students who are already working.
 
 But every class, I get a few that fit the above perfectly. You can tell from the first class that they are going to take every liberty. And, when they get that D or C or F, I get an email about "Can I do extra credit" for a better grade.
 
 The college has actually stop allowing Professors to change grades unless the reason is extreme. Then it requires approval of the administration.
 
 
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