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At random: "... The Navy's best are found upon; The pigboats black and trim; For men must be of sturdy stuff; To sink and still to swim ..." part of a poem, author unknown
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Holland Club
Posted 2017-09-07 5:32 AM (#84969)


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Location: East Coast of Wisconsin
Subject: I see

Go here
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/07/us-navy-says-most-7th-fleet-warships-lacked-proper-certification.html

Edited by Holland Club 2017-09-07 5:32 AM
Gil
Posted 2017-09-07 9:44 AM (#84973 - in reply to #84969)
Great Sage of the Sea

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Subject: RE: I see

I don't know about you guys, but that Fox article creates more questions that it seems to answer.
GaryKC
Posted 2017-09-07 10:06 AM (#84974 - in reply to #84969)


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Location: Kansas City Missouri
Subject: RE: I see

Fox + News = Propaganda 
Holland Club
Posted 2017-09-07 11:22 AM (#84975 - in reply to #84974)


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Posts: 1796

Location: East Coast of Wisconsin
Subject: RE: I see

That might be but I don't see any of the other alphabet jerks posting anything worth reading about any subject.
fortyrod
Posted 2017-09-08 4:14 AM (#84978 - in reply to #84969)
Old Salt

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Subject: RE: I see

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2017/09/07/us-navy-worked-around-its-own-standards-to-keep-ships-underway-sources/

http://www.defensenews.com/news/your-navy/2017/09/07/navy-says-tight-budget-stress-on-fleet-dont-excuse-crashes/

Edited by fortyrod 2017-09-08 4:16 AM
Thomas Courtien
Posted 2017-09-08 4:50 AM (#84979 - in reply to #84969)


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Posts: 1322

Location: Patterson, New York
Subject: RE: I see

In both these collisions, it appears to me multiple people were not doing the job well. I have to wonder how much a lack of drills is an issue.

One of my most memorable drills was the captain handing the sonar tech a card that said "inform the conn you have a contact closing at X knots and Y yards"

The new young officer under training with a senior officer announced, over the 1 MC, in a very excited voice "Captain to the conn; captain to the conn". He never called for the collision alarm or used the 1 MC to alert the crew.

If the navy is lax in certifying the crews is it because they do not have the time or the ship failed certification but was needed on station anyway? The articles are not clear to me on this question.

And, I do not see money as the issue; if you are underway, how could it cost more to run drills? Sailors do not get OT if there is a drill at 2 AM.






Ralph Luther
Posted 2017-09-08 6:42 AM (#84980 - in reply to #84969)
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Location: Summerville, SC
Subject: RE: I see

I'll stay with my idea....The watchstanders were playing with their ipads, smart phones, etc.
GaryKC
Posted 2017-09-08 8:19 AM (#84981 - in reply to #84969)


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Posts: 2439

Location: Kansas City Missouri
Subject: RE: I see

Dag Nab it, we need to go back to the electoral collage based maritime law, if a majority of folks want it, only a few decide who gets to go where one feller points them.
rover177
Posted 2017-09-08 11:07 PM (#84983 - in reply to #84969)
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Location: Wollongong, NSW
Subject: RE: I see

I would think that a ship completing workup and certification (whatever is the testing term), provided there were only trickle changes to personnel, would not need another workup period until after a refit (overhaul) or some other lengthy period in the yard or dock. Watchkeeping skills and the ability to avoid another vessel should be foremost at all times. We (well most people) don't get a licence to drive a car and then go looking for cars or pedestrians to spear.
Lets have some commonsense. If a ship gets a hole in the after section, it is not normally the one doing the colliding. Some "Navy" writers need to go back to journalist school; maybe not, they could come out with even worse writing skills.
fortyrod
Posted 2017-09-10 4:05 AM (#84993 - in reply to #84983)
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Subject: RE: I see


http://www.defensenews.com/news/your-navy/2017/09/07/navy-says-tight-budget-stress-on-fleet-dont-excuse-crashes/

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2017/09/07/us-navy-worked-around-its-own-standards-to-keep-ships-underway-sources/
Bob T
Posted 2017-09-10 4:45 PM (#84998 - in reply to #84969)


Senior Crew

Posts: 202

Subject: RE: I see

When I was a nuke we had an engineering officer who would initiate a drill by handing a watchstander a 3x5 card with THIS IS A DRILL written on it. On the other side was the drill scenario.

One day I handed the Eng a 3x5 card with THIS IS A DRILL written on in. The other side had a taped on 3/8 drill bit.

He said "Actually, this is a drill BIT."

I said "Yes Sir. Poetic license." Fortunately he was amused.
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