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Is it just me or...

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Posted 2018-05-16 9:58 AM (#89326)

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Location: Lower, slower Delaware
Subject: Is it just me or...

I remember back in the day of submarines and classified documents, things seemed to be that if you mentioned anything, about anything secret you were in deep shyte! Now a days not so much! I copied part of an article from today's NY Times, that indicates what I'm talking about....I realize we had guys like Philby, who is the only one I remember. I'm sure there were more. But the extent of stuff that's being stolen, shows me that the ties that bound us, are no longer used to the extent that they were with us. Plus, it doesn't seem that this stuff is protected. The little that is protected, it's probably with long outdated technology...that's able to be hacked into with little expertise...

In weekly online posts last year, WikiLeaks released a stolen archive of secret documents about the Central Intelligence Agency’s hacking operations, including software exploits designed to take over iPhones and turn smart television sets into surveillance devices.

It was the largest loss of classified documents in the agency’s history and a huge embarrassment for C.I.A. officials.

Now, the prime suspect in the breach has been identified: a 29-year-old former C.I.A. software engineer who had designed malware used to break into the computers of terrorism suspects and other targets, The New York Times has learned.

Agents with the Federal Bureau of Investigation searched the Manhattan apartment of the suspect, Joshua A. Schulte, one week after WikiLeaks released the first of the C.I.A. documents in March last year, and then stopped him from flying to Mexico on vacation, taking his passport, according to court records and relatives. The search warrant application said Mr. Schulte was suspected of “distribution of national defense information,” and agents told the court they had retrieved “N.S.A. and C.I.A. paperwork” in addition to a computer, tablet, phone and other electronics.


But instead of charging Mr. Schulte in the breach, referred to as the Vault 7 leak, prosecutors charged him last August with possessing child pornography, saying agents had found 10,000 illicit images on a server he created as a business in 2009 while studying at the University of Texas at Austin.

Court papers quote messages from Mr. Schulte that suggest he was aware of the encrypted images of children being molested by adults on his computer, though he advised one user, “Just don’t put anything too illegal on there.”

In September, Mr. Schulte was released on the condition that he not leave New York City, where he lived with a cousin, and keep off computers. He was jailed in December after prosecutors found evidence that he had violated those rules, and he has been held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan since then. He has posted on Facebook under a pseudonym a series of essays critical of the criminal justice system.

It is unclear why, more than a year after he was arrested, he has not been charged or cleared in connection with Vault 7. Leak investigators have had access to electronic audit trails inside the C.I.A. that may indicate who accessed the files that were stolen, and they have had possession of Mr. Schulte’s personal data for many months.

Posted 2018-05-16 12:49 PM (#89327 - in reply to #89326)


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Posted 2018-05-16 4:00 PM (#89328 - in reply to #89326)

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Posts: 2377

Location: Liverpool, England
Subject: RE: Is it just me or...


When I started writing dits and recording stories about life aboard submarines I was always conscious of the Official Secrets Act and the deep s*** you could find yourself in if you violated it. The only option left open for me was to concentrate on the humorous side of submarine duty rather than the operational one when telling a tale. Although perhaps entertaining, they were never as exciting as the tales we could have told, but service and legal omerta saw to that and we just didn't do it. Even if the technologies we could have spoken of were now ancient and irrelevant we were told their suppression was to protect present-day submariner's from danger and we respected that.

Certainly, Philby, Burgess, and McLean were upper-class British academics who betrayed their country. America also had its fair share of traitors including Richard Miller and John Walker. The only ones who paid the full price for betrayal of their country were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg who were executed. So perhaps we should revert to that method of disposing of our national spies, irrespective of whether they were motivated by political or monetary gain. Joe Stalin was the Soviet leader who motivated most of these people, so perhaps we should learn from his ruthless view on the elimination of any undesirables or enemies of the state which was, "No man - no problem." Of course, we won't do that as we have grown too soft over the years.

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Posted 2018-05-16 5:31 PM (#89329 - in reply to #89328)

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Subject: RE: Is it just me or...

I think you are spot on.
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