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At random: USS SKATE and USS SEADRAGON, after affecting a historic rendezvous under the ice, surfaced together at the North Pole through an opening in the ice on August 1962. What really happened: We didn't surface together, Skate surfaced first. Then we (Seadragon) fired yellow flares forward and aft so Skate could tell us how we were lined up. Remember, under-ice was primitive in these days. Skate called back down rapidly that one flare surfaced on her starboard side and the other to port. She requested we reposition before vertical surfacing. We did. - Coyote (Owen Carlson) |
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Master and Commander Posts: 2191 Location: Port Ludlow, WA (the Olympic Penninsula) | Subject: Sub Questions Answered Thanks for the great help in providing answers to our well versed civilian questioner. The following is a compilation of the answers that we all put together (with special thanks to Jim Christley and Donald Johnson) 1. The poster shows many subs that are very similar in size and profile yet are entirely different classes like the Narwhal, Sturgeon, Permit classes. These are all SSN class vessels. Or the Lipscomb class of which one was built. Why would there be in some casses just one built? Given the design and build cycle, they must have figured the short run and scarce built subs were not right or limited or???? So why would they not build more of these? 2. Sort of similar to #1, there are single vessels like the Parche class, Darter, Grayback, Triton, etc. Why only one? Were they experiments that didn't work or were they all very specialized and if so, what were they designed to do? While the Thresher/Permit Class is similar in size and shape to the Sturgeon Class, there are major differences in hull and Fairwater shape, equipment installed, and other capabilities. There is a noticeable evolution in hull form from the B-girls to the Skipjack, Thresher/Permit, and Sturgeon classes, leading finally to the LA class and the Seawolf and Virginia classes. With each class of boat built, they learned more, and improved on the capabilities of the previous designs. In some cases, the improvements were applied to a group of boats, such as the "stretch" 637s and the 688I (3rd-flight) boats. 3. Some of the L.A. class subs were decommissioned even though they are When a ship is decommissioned is not a function of when it was commissioned. It is a complex function that amongst other things takes into consideration the cost of continued service, specific changes made to the boat during its lifetime, DoD budget cuts and operational directives, etc. Some boats which one could make a case for continued service are decommissioned after a relatively short service. For example the decommissioning of most of our fleet boats after WWII. Without naming names, some of them were involved in incidents that made their continued service 'uneconomical'. Also we were in a crunch to find the money to build Seawolf class submarines. The cost to refuel a 637 or 688 was ten times the cost of inactivating (a polite way of saying retiring) them. Then the Russians gave up and parked their fleet and everyone told us that we didn't need a submarine force any longer. That was a very hard battle to fight since we had already started down the slippery slope of getting rid of perfectly good submarines. We had to cancel the Seawolf class and come up with the Virginia class to build highly capable submarines that didn't cost as much as the Seawolf. Further, it sort of depended on the boat. Some boats with lower hull numbers spent a lot of time in the shipyard, so had less time on their hulls and more reactor core left. It also depended on their materiel condition, and where they were in the upgrade cycle - boats that had just come out of a shipyard availability for upgrades and alterations were less likely to be retired than boats of similar age that were in need of major repairs or had not yet gotten the upgrades. Plus, when it became clear that the Seawolf class was only going to be 3 boats, and the follow-on Virginia Class boats were not going to enter the fleet as soon as expected, the Navy started looking at refueling some of the 2nd-flight LA boats to maintain the force levels. 4. What do the designations mean like: A. SS The type designations used for submarines and their meanings are: AGSS Auxiliary Submarine formerly AGSS, a.k.a. Auxiliary General AKSS Cargo Submarine (ex-ASSA) AOSS Submarine Oiler (Symbol formerly AO(SS), ex-SSO) APS Transport, Submarine (Later SSP) APSS Transport, Submarine (ex-ASSP, reclassified LPSS 14 Aug 68) ASSA Cargo Submarine (ex- SSA, later APSS) ASSP Transport Submarine (ex-SSP, later APSS) LPSS Amphibious Transport Submarine (ex-APSS Reclassified 14 Aug 68), a.k.a. Landing Platform SC Cruiser Submarines SF Fleet Submarine, First Line SM Mine laying Submarine SS Submarine (ex-Submarine First Line), a.k.a. Submersible Ship SSA Submarine, Cargo (Later ASSA) SSB Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine SSBN Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine (Nuclear Propulsion) SSBN to 1967 · SSBN/SSN Indicates boats originally designated SSBN which had their missiles removed (due to one of the SALT treaties, and were converted to SSN service until they reached reactor core end-of-life and were decommissioned. SSG Submarine, Guided Missile SSGN Submarine, Guided Missile, Nuclear SSK Anti Submarine, Submarine a.k.a. Submarine Killer SSN Submarine, Nuclear SSN to 1967 a.k.a. Fast Attack SSO Submarine Oiler (Later AOSS) SSP Submarine, Transport (ex-APS, Later ASSP) SSR Radar Picket Submarine SSRN Radar Picket Submarine (Nuclear Propulsion) (1956-61) SST Target and Training Submarine (Reclassified 1953) 5. Where did the 6881 class designation come from? That's an odd name Actually, it is not 6881, it is 688I, as in 688-Improved. These are the 3rd-flight boats with the VLS tubes in the bow, the forward diving planes moved from the fairwater/sail to the bow, and other improvements. 6. I thought the German U boats could dive twice as deep as the US fleet Have never heard of this fact, unsure of any source here. Is there any reference that talks about the evolution of these vessels? This question is fairly well answered in the response to #1 & 2 above. | ||
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