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Master and Commander Posts: 1892 Location: Patterson, New York | Subject: Adm. James B. Stockdale I found this essay insightful; just want to share it - from the Wall Street Juornal Debates Don't Always Reveal Character My father was a model American. By TAYLOR B. STOCKDALE As Sarah Palin and Joe Biden prepare for Thursday's vice presidential debate, I am pulled back to the last time an unknown candidate appeared on the national stage in such a forum. It was 1992, when my father (John McCain's senior officer in Vietnam), Adm. James B. Stockdale, appeared on stage to debate Al Gore and Dan Quayle. Anyone over 30 will probably remember the spectacle. Messrs. Gore and Quayle were engaged in a bitter battle when, late in the race, my father accepted Ross Perot's invitation to be his running mate. That decision created a rare, three person vice-presidential debate. In an attempt to introduce himself to the American people, my father began with the philosophical questions "Who am I? Why am I here?" But as the evening wore on, he struggled. Watching that debate from the front row in Atlanta was a surreal experience. My father, a bona fide war hero, was trying to adapt to a format of discourse utterly foreign to him. The debate hall was noisy, hot and nasty. My mom took a bad fall just before coming out to sit down. She, the strongest woman I know, broke into tears as she was overcome with emotion. Her four sons tried to console her. Messrs. Gore and Quayle had arrived with armies of political handlers and were sequestered in large, lavish rooms to prepare for their one night to show each other up. My dad arrived with his family and one coach at the last minute. We were put in an RV just off the stage. Dad entered the race reluctantly, and only due to the deep gratitude he had for the aid Mr. Perot extended to him and my mom while he was a prisoner of war in Vietnam. As everyone saw that evening, he was not a politician. He was a fighter-pilot ace, a Medal of Honor recipient, and a wonderful dad and human being. During his eight years as a POW, he slit his scalp and beat his face with a stool to prevent his captors from parading him in the streets for propaganda purposes. He gave starving men his food rations when he himself was starving. And at home, after his release in 1973, he was a respected leader, scholar and writer. He considered himself a philosopher. He studied the Greeks -- specifically Epictetus, an ancient slave and stoic who espoused the idea that individuals have free will and absolute autonomy over all matters within their control. He believed we must not wallow in self-pity when the chips are down, but rather recognize that we have the power to choose how to respond to everything. My father adopted this philosophy while a graduate student at Stanford University in the early 1960s. So he never took pity on himself -- ever. Not as a POW when he was tortured, forced to wear leg irons and to live in solitary confinement. And not after the debate. He knew he had put himself into that arena. And yet on this particular evening in 1992, the country saw someone who looked confused and weak. Without knowing who he was or what he did for his country, most Americans turned off their TV sets and formed an opinion of him based on a 90-minute debate. So while Mrs. Palin's background and political acumen are completely different from my father's, she and her family are going through an experience I recognize. They are trying to define themselves in a short time-span, within a loaded political context. From personal experience, I doubt if someone can really be known in this type of atmosphere, and I empathize with her family members who suddenly have to explain things that shouldn't need explanation. As for my dad, this will mark the first vice presidential debate since he died in 2005. I've wanted to write about it for a long time, but he wouldn't let me. Now I want to set the record straight: He was an example of what this country should be all about. Mr. Stockdale, the son of Adm. James B. Stockdale, is assistant head of the Webb Schools in Claremont, Calif. Edited by Thomas Courtien 2008-09-30 6:37 PM | ||
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Senior Crew Posts: 157 Location: Clarinda, IA | Subject: RE: Adm. James B. Stockdale Thomas, thanks for posting this. I have great admiration for those like Mrs. Palin who are willing to subject themselves to cruel and unfair actions of those who can criticize even though they can't accomplish what those they try to tear down, do on a daily basis. I hope that with Mr. Stockdale's telling us about his dad, we can remember all that people like the Admiral went through in spite of most never appreciating the sacrifices that were made by our POWs. I find much to disagree with McCain, but no matter what his political views or even shortcomings, he will always be a hero for how he conducted himself and the examples he set for all of us. I find article after article in my email about how terrible things are, but as long as we have people like McCain and Stockdale who showed all of us how to be real patriots, I have to think that our country will somehow keep going. We are lucky to live in a country that produces such heroes. Viejo | ||
Bob Melley |
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Old Salt Posts: 256 | Subject: RE: Adm. James B. Stockdale Tom: A big BZ for the post on a great American. Fortunately, we have another great American, a former POW and USNer in the person of John S. McCain. We have just learned that the PBS VP Debate moderator, Gwenn IFil has written a book very favorable to BHO.....I'm sure she'll pull aside her admiration for BHO when she manages the debate......right? What a bunch of BS.....Good Luck Sarah, kick Biden's butt all over the stage.....while you're at it kick the moderator, too. TCM | ||
Ralph Luther |
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COMSUBBBS Posts: 6180 Location: Summerville, SC | Subject: RE: Adm. James B. Stockdale Adm Stockdale was President of the Citadel here in Charleston some years ago. A really top shelf individual. If you were a Veteran he had all the time in the world for ya. | ||
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Admin Posts: 2297 Location: Renton, WA | Subject: RE: Adm. James B. Stockdale Bob... I love tributes to Navy vets of all sources... let's not let politics sour the sweet memories of patriotism in it's purest form please. Thank you. | ||
Bob Melley |
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Old Salt Posts: 256 | Subject: RE: Adm. James B. Stockdale Don: You're right.....sorry about that. TCM | ||
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Old Salt Posts: 338 Location: Oak Island, NC | Subject: RE: Adm. James B. Stockdale ADM Stockdale has always been my personal hero. I can't even begin to imagine the trials and tribulations he experienced in his life, and he completely embodies the core values the Navy espouses: Honor, Courage and Commitment. Thank you for posting this essay, I plan to share it with the students of my Maintenance Supervisor class I am currently teaching. I currently work at a commercial nuclear power plant in South Florida, and a quote of his describes the attributes demanded of nuclear professionals. It serves as my signature line in all emails I send: "Do the right thing even if it means dying like a dog when no one's there to see you do it." Taylor, you are justifiably proud of your father. He was a true American Hero. Chuck | ||
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