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COMSUBBBS
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Location: New Jersey | Subject: Was the Skipjack
the first of her class. If so, weren't the Scorpion and Shark part of the same class?? |
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Plankowner
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Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
Skipjack SSN 585
Scamp SSN 588
Scorpion SSN 589
Sculpin SSN 590
Shark SSN 591
Snook SSN 592
Skipjacks were the first class of Nuc's taught at Sub School. I was in the first class, started Jan 2, 1965. |
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Master and Commander
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Location: Hopewell Junction NY | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
Ric - 2008-12-02 11:47 AMSkipjack SSN 585Scamp SSN 588Scorpion SSN 589Sculpin SSN 590Shark SSN 591Snook SSN 592Skipjacks were the first class of Nuc's taught at Sub School. I was in the first class, started Jan 2, 1965.
Ric, I was under the impression that the last diesel boat curriculum (USS Becuna) was taught during the last quarter of 1963.
I think I read that on the BESS Photo Pages site, by one of the contributers in a class following the one I attended. I remember thinking then that I never knew i was in one of the final classes.
At least that was what I read "somewhere".
Edited by PaulR 2008-12-02 9:19 AM
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Plankowner
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Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
Paul
I seem to remember the instructor telling us we were the first class to study the Skipjack class. Wonder if another class wast taught between. |
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Master and Commander
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Location: Hopewell Junction NY | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
Ric - 2008-12-02 12:32 PMPaulI seem to remember the instructor telling us we were the first class to study the Skipjack class. Wonder if another class wast taught between.
Ric,
Could be true about Skipjack.
I read/recall that THRESHER CLASS was the first nuke taught in BESS and that occurred in Sept of 1963 or so. I was in class 282 and graduated in mid Aug.
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Plankowner
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Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
That was kind of a move backwards wasn't it. I wonder if it was due to Thresher sinking in April '63? I do know it was Skipjack we studied. |
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Master and Commander
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Location: Hopewell Junction NY | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
Ric - 2008-12-02 12:49 PMThat was kind of a move backwards wasn't it. I wonder if it was due to Thresher sinking in April '63? I do know it was Skipjack we studied.
I agree. It would be out of sequence. But Skipjack was an old class by 1965, so why would they just start teaching it then?
Park Dallis was in class 286 I see and that is around when I heard/read they halted diesel boat instruction. Maybe he can help. I emailed him...waiting for reply.
Edited by PaulR 2008-12-02 10:02 AM
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Old Salt
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
PaulR - 2008-12-02 8:59 AM Ric - 2008-12-02 12:49 PMThat was kind of a move backwards wasn't it. I wonder if it was due to Thresher sinking in April '63? I do know it was Skipjack we studied. I agree. It would be out of sequence. But Skipjack was an old class by 1965, so why would they just start teaching it then? Park Dallis was in class 286 I see and that is around when I heard/read they halted diesel boat instruction. Maybe he can help. I emailed him...waiting for reply.
Class 286 graduated in October '63. We studied DBFs except for 1 week "familiarization" with a nuc, presumably the Skipjack.
Was that really 45 years ago!?
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Master and Commander
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I graduated sub school in April 64 class 200. We were taught Becuna but they had the Skipjack angle and dangle trainer which we spent one class session on. I have to say that most of the class did rather lousy holding depth and angle. If the trainer could have done a loop it would have. |
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Master and Commander
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Location: Houston, TX (Best state in the US) | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
I got to Subschool in the winter of 66/67. As I recall, the curricula was still dbf. They did have two trainers...one dbf (ascania?) , and then the PERMIT trainer. I had never heard of the PERMIT before but it turned out I got orders to her right out of Subschoo....was to do 6 months TAD and then transfer to the PCU for the GURNARD, SSN 662.
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Master and Commander
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Location: Hopewell Junction NY | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
Park Dallis - 2008-12-02 1:09 PM PaulR - 2008-12-02 8:59 AM Ric - 2008-12-02 12:49 PMThat was kind of a move backwards wasn't it. I wonder if it was due to Thresher sinking in April '63? I do know it was Skipjack we studied. I agree. It would be out of sequence. But Skipjack was an old class by 1965, so why would they just start teaching it then? Park Dallis was in class 286 I see and that is around when I heard/read they halted diesel boat instruction. Maybe he can help. I emailed him...waiting for reply. Class 286 graduated in October '63. We studied DBFs except for 1 week "familiarization" with a nuc, presumably the Skipjack. Was that really 45 years ago!?
YES IT WAS...Gary Walker and I were classmates in class 282.
"MAYBE" what I recall reading had something to do with "nuke familiarization"...
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Master and Commander
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Location: Foothills of the Ozarks | Subject: Skipjack at Sub School
I graduated from Sub School in September 1962 and we had a Nuke "familiarization" study of Skipjack. We weren't allowed to take any of the material back to our barracks and our instructor had to keep close tabs on all the printed material. Our main course of study was Becuna. Little did I know that I would qualify on Skipjack just a few short years later.
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Old Salt
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Location: San Freakcisco CA area | Subject: RE: Was the Skipjack
My Enlisted class in 1956 was, of course, 100% DBF.
When I attended Officer's subschool (Class 127) APR 64, it was in the first time that officer diesel training had occurred in several years - or so we were told anyway. Our class had 5 sections, 4 were DBF and 1 was nuke as I recall - the nukes had a totally separate curriculum in all but the totally common areas like oceanography and Rules of the Road. We even had completely separate underway training periods and I have no idea what class nuke boats were used - but we received absolutely zero familiarization or exposure to the Rickover side of the house.
We still had the Askania diving trainers plus there was one that was modified for the Lemon Sisters class. The nuke folks had their own diving trainers in another building. I have no idea what class(es) of boats they covered but I do recall that both the DBF and nuke enlisted classes were using the same diving trainers as the officer classes.
Same with the attack trainer module - we had the MK-IV TDC and a 2F scope, the infamous rubber huey, and 100% homemade speed strips. Our nuke brothers had their own separate attack trainer area with the MK-7 Ultimate FCS configured for wireguides (i.e. 37-1 and 45-0 fish).
Since we didn't pick our boats until the end, those going to GUPPY-IIIs that had the MK-7 Ultimate FCS had a lot of OJT learning to do in order to qualify gold. In fact, we were not even taught anything about wireguides except that they existed and we were supposed to say "gee-whiz!" a lot. All of our "advanced" topredo training past the MK-14/MK-16 was for the MK-37-0.
Once we had picked our boats, those going to GUPPY-IIIs were given an opportunity to get a quickie in the MK-37-1 and 45-0 fish and the MK-7 Ultimate FCS but it was literally for a total of 4-1/2 hours one Saturday while our household goods were being packed out. I went and thought it was a waste of time, especially when I saw how watered down the class was and then realized I should have been at the MOQ paying attention to our pack out instead.
Edited by SOB490 2008-12-02 8:49 PM
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Was the Skipjack
