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At random: The self-propelled torpedo, which gets its name from the eel TORPEDO ELECTRICUS, was invented by Robert Whitehead in 1868, a number of years before a practical submarine was developed.
Pyrotechnics / Fireworks
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pekelney
Posted 2009-05-13 9:28 AM (#26599)
Mess cooking

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Subject: Pyrotechnics / Fireworks

Folks,

We have added another manual to the HNSA web site:

Surface Pyrotechnics and Projectors, Ordnance Pamphlet 1177, 1945, describes modified fireworks used by surface ships, submarines and merchant ships. These are used for used for signaling, marking, or illuminating objects.

http://hnsa.org/doc/pyro/index.htm

This includes the flares ejected underwater.

For those interested in other kinds of ordnance there have been quite a few other additions to the site over the past few months.

http://hnsa.org/doc/index.htm

rich
RCK
Posted 2009-05-13 10:36 AM (#26600 - in reply to #26599)
Master and Commander

Posts: 1431

Subject: RE: Pyrotechnics / Fireworks

So I enjoy fireworks. Always have and always will. I prefer shooting them off myself!!! The result of a deprived childhood
steamboat
Posted 2009-05-13 2:40 PM (#26607 - in reply to #26599)
Master and Commander

Posts: 1814

Location: Boydton, Virginia
Subject: RE: Pyrotechnics / Fireworks

I used to enjoy firing flares from after torpedo room, but never saw one surface. When I rode a tin can I saw subs dive and surface from close by, but don't remember seeing any flares. That brings up another question.... how many of us ever saw another boat dive/surface?
Steamboat sends
Park Dallis
Posted 2009-05-13 4:40 PM (#26610 - in reply to #26607)


Old Salt

Posts: 419

Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Subject: RE: Pyrotechnics / Fireworks

steamboat - 2009-05-13 1:40 PMI used to enjoy firing flares from after torpedo room, but never saw one surface. When I rode a tin can I saw subs dive and surface from close by, but don't remember seeing any flares. That brings up another question.... how many of us ever saw another boat dive/surface?Steamboat sends


Sea Poacher was doing daily ASW ops with some tin can out of Gitmo in '65 and word was passed did anybody want to ride the skimmer for half a day.

Skimmer sent over a boat with some thrill seekers and I got a chance to go back with it.

I spent my 4 hours on the bridge and one of the higher decks watching what was going on.  Saw the Poacher dive and surface, don't remember any flares.

All in all it was pretty boring.

It's the only time I ever rode a skimmer but my dad had commanded one in WWII and I wanted to see what it was like.
Bear
Posted 2009-05-13 6:46 PM (#26619 - in reply to #26599)


Great Sage of the Sea

Posts: 781

Location: Port Orchard WA
Subject: RE: Pyrotechnics / Fireworks

got to ride on the observation ship for USS Michigan's DASO (missile shot) saw the warning flare/smoke, the dive surface and Russian observation ship, but the BBBIGGGG FLARE was most impress. C4 shot I will post the pictures when I get them out again.

Most impress flare shot I ever heard about was when my ERS and EWS (I was upper Level) shot a combo instead of a smoke and almost tagged a helo.) It was OOD's fault.

Blue from West Oz
Posted 2009-05-13 7:38 PM (#26628 - in reply to #26607)


Master and Commander

Posts: 2357

Subject: as Art Smith would say.....

steamboat - 2009-05-14 4:40 AM

That brings up another question.... how many of us ever saw another boat dive/surface?

Steamboat sends


"ME"

1. I was lucky enough to be invited to partake with the SAS when they were doing their special boat operations onboard HMAS ORION in 1980.....so we surfaced, I left the Fore-Ends with them and jumped into a Gemini. The boat then dived and off we went. Then for the recovery.......that's when all hell broke loose!

The boat I was on did the correct procedure and safely landed on the Casing ( Topside ) whilst the other one got stuck 2/3 of the way up....so whoever was in charge on the safety boat then radioed the submarine to dive again so we could untangle that boat....I was 'helping'....then me and a 'Pongo' had to grab hold of the boat as we are now at close to being submerged...someone had then radioed to once again surface....as we were not yet free of the lines, up we went, except this time there is two of us hanging on for dear life! We just started laughing and ended up letting go, 20 odd feet up and we both landed on the Ballast Tanks, the fall broken ( to a slight degree ) by a wave ......so there you can now imagine, ORION making about 3? knots and me swimming after it! The two of us were picked up by the Safety Boat and eventually returned to the Sub.

That was just bloody brilliant!

2. 1981. I was transferred to HMNZS WAIKATO ( a New Zealand Destroyer ) on the completion on Kangaroo 81 for a week......I witnessed my sub, HMAS OTWAY dive and fire off a few smoke candles etc.

Blue *_*
Donald L. Johnson
Posted 2009-05-13 11:11 PM (#26643 - in reply to #26599)


Great Sage of the Sea

Posts: 602

Location: Visalia, Ca.
Subject: RE: Pyrotechnics / Fireworks

I didn't get to see it myself, but when I was on USS Seadragon in 1978, we were off of Pearl Harbor, playing tag with a carrier and her escorts coming in from San Diego. We penetrated the screen, took a set of photos through the periscope (3 rows by 10 pictures long, later posted on the mess decks), then shot a "smoke" to let them know we had "got" them.

Our aim was a little off - instead of flying across the carrier's bow, it landed on the flight deck.

Capt. Kelso, ComSubRon-7 (later CNO who got sunk by Tailhook) supposedly laughed so hard he fell off the jump-seat.



SOB490
Posted 2009-05-14 9:21 PM (#26659 - in reply to #26599)


Old Salt

Posts: 489

Location: San Freakcisco CA area
Subject: RE: Pyrotechnics / Fireworks

DBF Signal Ejector - launched devices circa 1964-1965: (I know some were used by the early nuke boats as well)

False Target Can (FTC) MK2-MOD0

NAC Beacon

NAE Beacon MK1 and MK2

SEIS (Submarine Emergency Identification Star) MK3-MOD3 in 3 colors: red, yellow, green

Submarine Float Signal MK2-MOD2 

AN/SRT 347 Emergency Radio Transmitter Buoy

I'd be happy to post brief details if anyone is interested.

Jim M.
Posted 2009-05-15 11:16 AM (#26661 - in reply to #26599)


Great Sage of the Sea

Posts: 877

Subject: RE: Pyrotechnics / Fireworks

During some ops with some Chilean destroyers in 1966 during UNITAS VII, REQUIN was tasked to go up against a task group, including a carrier (I think). REQUIN's CO at the time, Allen B. Higginbotham, told me that REQUIN managed to get inside the screen and fired off green flares, after lining up on a Chilean destroyer. Later, during a party ashore after the exercises, CDR Higginbotham was presented with a nicely carved wooden box, inside of which were the remains of one of REQUIN's flares, which had landed on the destroyer's bridge. There was a brass plate with the inscription - TO COMMANDING OFFICER USS REQUIN, FROM COMMANDING OFFICER CHILEAN DESTROYER XXXX (don't remember the name off hand) - GOOD SHOT"
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