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COMSUBBBS
Posts: 2561
Location: Rapid City, SD | Subject: Aw, DEX...
I have a question for you. On the Internet, and also as a kinda gift from a couple of the guys here, is a picture of the USS Sterlet. It's labeled as 'Circa 1944-45.' It does look as it looked during WWII - armament and all, so I'm putting it into the book. There is a problem, though. The hull number '392' is boldly painted on the conning tower. That's the right number, of course, but my brother told me several times that, for security reasons, the hull number was NOT painted on the hull during the war. The picture is in the thread (rolled off now) named 'Questions, Questions, Questions.' And, Crystal put it up for me on another thread, so, 'splain this picture to me, please.
And, who e-mailed you that I wanted to slit your throat? That's misinformation. In fact, I think you ought to come to Rapid and help me with the technical parts of the book. As I said before, I don't cook though...unless it can be warmed up in the microwave.
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Plankowner
Posts: 9165
Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: RE: Aw, DEX...
Cora the photo was most likely taken just after the war ended. Hull numbers were painted out during the war. As soon as the war ended they were put back on. |
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Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 781
Location: Port Orchard WA | Subject: RE: Aw, DEX...
actually it could have been before she went on 1st war patrol arrive in spring of 44 or after her last war patrol in summer of 45 right before she left for states |
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1269
Location: Hopewell Junction NY | Subject: RE: Aw, DEX...
Here is the same photo, minus the numbers.
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Plankowner
Posts: 9165
Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: RE: Aw, DEX...
PaulR - 2009-07-22 6:44 PM
Here is the same photo, minus the numbers.
Well, she's in Pearl that is for sure. I'm willing to bet the numbers were removed to make it look like a WW II photo. Perspective is too good to have been added.
I have many photos in my collection that have been modified by someone to make the boat look like another or going a differet direction.
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COMSUBBBS
Posts: 2561
Location: Rapid City, SD | Subject: Thank you, Paul...
...Did you delete the numbers? Or did you find another picture. Jeez, I wish I could see the faces of the men on the boat. If the dates are right, my brother could be one of the sailors in the picture.
Thanks again - I'll use this copy in the book.
Oh, they were on the fifth war patrol, right off the coast of Japan when the first atomic bomb was dropped. They were told to move farther out to sea and dive as deep as they could. No one, of course, knew what to expect with this bomb, and the men on the Sterlet were given those instructions, but were not told why. They returned to Midway (I think it was Midway), and didn't leave for San Diego until later that fall. Elmer had a leave (only his second - the first was after Boot Camp) and spent Thanksgiving at home, but had to return to San Diego and the Sterlet for a couple more months before he could be discharged.
Which is the genuine, original picture? Were numbers added to, or deleted from, the original? How do you know it was Pearl, Ric?
Cora
Edited by Corabelle 2009-07-22 8:59 PM
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Plankowner
Posts: 9165
Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: RE: Thank you, Paul...
I recognize the buildings. Pearl would have been a logical stop after Midway
I'm 99% sure the one with numbers is the original as I said in my post.
This photo was taken September 1, 1945.
The day before the Japanese surrendered. No numbers.
I bet the next day numbers were being painted on.
Sterlet could be any one of these boats.
Note buildings and palms.
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1247
Location: Rockingham Western Australia | Subject: RE: Thank you, Paul...
And I bet the guys on the roof in the foreground thought they had the best goofing off spot in town until the CO got acopy of the photo. |
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Plankowner
Posts: 9165
Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: RE: Thank you, Paul...
The photo was taken from the escape training tower. |
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Senior Crew
Posts: 184
Location: ConroeTexas | Subject: RE: Aw, DEX...
And I dont see any numbers painted on the sails of any of those boats.
the beagle doc |
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1269
Location: Hopewell Junction NY | Subject: RE: Aw, DEX...
Ric - 2009-07-22 10:41 PM PaulR - 2009-07-22 6:44 PMHere is the same photo, minus the numbers.
Well, she's in Pearl that is for sure. I'm willing to bet the numbers were removed to make it look like a WW II photo. Perspective is too good to have been added.I have many photos in my collection that have been modified by someone to make the boat look like another or going a differet direction.
You're right Ric, I took the pic to my "Photoshop". I have no idea when the original (with numbers) was taken, but it was MODIFIED last night @ 2130 EDT.
I thought this would fit into Cora's plans better than the original.
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COMSUBBBS
Posts: 6180
Location: Summerville, SC | Subject: RE: Thank you, Paul...
I believe POD is referring to those skylarking swabs on the roof top of the building in the lower left |
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Master and Commander
Posts: 2253
Location: Foothills of the Ozarks | Subject: RE: Thank you, Paul...
Ralph Luther - 2009-07-23 10:21 AM
I believe POD is referring to those skylarking swabs on the roof top of the building in the lower left
Those guys are skylarking; the COB sent them up there to inventory all that trash and to stack it neatly. They're just developing their work plan
Damn "A" Gangers always picking on the deck apes
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COMSUBBBS
Posts: 3202
Location: Alexandria, Virginia | Subject: Cora, Info from Naval History Section, Washington Navy Yard
Cora, Thanks for the kind words in your post. I'm a self confessed China Shop Bull...I walk through flower beds, spend a helluva lot of time pulling my foot out of my mouth, tapdance through cow pie piles and say inappropriate things at inappropriate times. Ask your future forebearance, and forgiveness. I do love teasing with you....I am trying to learn how to cook (Jon Krup....has taught me some bachelor cooking tips. Jon's one helluva good cook...I'm interested in survival cooking...fixed income heated chow for idiots that live by themselves....boiling corn-on-the-cob...hot dogs...slapping together peanut butter and mayonaise sandwiches...ham sandwiches...chicken salad sandwiches....heating up Mrs Paul's fish sticks....frying up hamburgers and heating up Dinty Moore beef stew. I can operate the stove...toaster...pressure cooker...(learning Crock Pot cooking) and the microwave....I make a great melted Jarlsberg cheese on Vienna Bread toast. Just want to find a gal who can turn out a meatloaf using real genuine atery clogging bacon grease. Next, Here's the Naval History take on your hull numbers question. (They talked to four WWII submarine sailors.) Hull numbers were obliterated when heading to, while in and returning from combat area assignments....This was done to keep enemy observers from being able to tie specific submarines to their missions, their known characteristics or limit the impression that we were operating with a specific number of boats. Post war study of Japanese intelligence analysis found that they were under the impression that we had far more (over two times of our actual number of boats) boats than we actually had. When boats returned stateside for yardwork, configuration modifications for specific patrol missions and routine maintenance, many (not all) boats repainted in their hull numbers to identify them for parts and stores delivery and allow people working on the boat to find it easily. The photo section has a number of photos taken during WWII showing visable numeric designators. Hope this helps. DEX |
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Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 561
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Did anyone notice the teeth and eye painted on the boat to the far left?
Would be nice to know which boats those are.
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Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 618
Location: Issaquah WA, USA | Subject: RE: Aw, DEX...
That would be the Baya. |
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Plankowner
Posts: 9165
Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: RE: Aw, DEX...
...on the far right, too. Puffer (L) and Redfish or maybe it was Redfin (R) |
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Plankowner
Posts: 9165
Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: RE: Aw, DEX...
You are right Pat, Baya is on the right. Puffer is on the left. |
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Plankowner
Posts: 9165
Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map. | Subject: Here you go
PUFFER
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Aw, DEX...
